Sunday, April 28, 2013

The Dragon Reborn by Robert Jordan Read Along: Week 2

If you haven't read the book, or the whole series, why not join in and read along with the rest of us? You can find links to everyone else’s thoughts at Musings On Fantasia

This week we read through to the end of Chapter 20.

1) Perrin saw Hopper in his dreams right after Moiraine warned him to be cautious of them. What do you think it means that he saw Hopper? Should he be as paranoid about his dreams as Moiraine leads him to be?

If Moiraine’s research is right, and wolves live partly in dreams, then perhaps some aspect of them remains in the dream world after they die. That might explain why Hopper appeared, because it certainly seemed as if the rest of the dream was real. This makes me think that he should be very wary about what happens in them because, if the people are real, the consequences of their actions could be very real as well.

2) Some kind of large, deadly dog was hunting Rand. What do you make of it and Rand's plans to go to Tear?

I totally missed a dog hunting Rand: are you sure that was in this section, because I do not remember a Rand chapter.

I am not sure if going to Tear is a good idea or not, but I have to assume that the Pattern is causing him to dream about it so that he is pushed in that direction. It would seem that Callandor will be important in his journey towards the Final Battle, so I can see why it is a good thing from that point of view. I just wish that he was not on his own for the journey: I would be much happier if he had at least one person to watch his back.

3) What do you think of Nynaeve and Egwene being asked to hunt the Black Ajah and the all-access passes the Amyrlin gave them? Do you think the Amyrlin is wise to trust them and Verin?

I think that this places them in a very dangerous position. Liandrin was under orders to get rid of them, so it seems that the Dark One sees them as a significant threat to his plans. I find it hard to believe that he will leave them alone now that they have foiled his plans once. I do think it was wise for them to bring Elayne into the group, and I would expect them to add Min when she arrives in Tar Valon as well. We know that these four are intimately bound to the fate of the three boys, so I trust them all to be working for the Light: other than that, I trust nobody completely, although I think that Moiraine and the Amyrlin are probably not Black Ajah. So far, Verin has proven to be an ally, but she may just be better than Liandrin at pretending to be a good person. After all, I doubt that anyone who had actually met Liandrin was surprised to find out that she was Black Ajah.

4) Who do you think sent the Gray Man and who was he aiming to kill? (Who stabbed him, for that matter?) Nynaeve seems to suspect Sheriam of something. Do you concur?

It did seem like he was aiming at Egwene and/or Nynaeve, and there was nobody else about to be a possible target. I understand perfectly why Nynaeve is so suspicious of Sheriam: she was in the perfect position to have stabbed him and did not ask them if they had seen anybody else around the body. There is something suspicious going on there, and Sheriam would be a perfect operative to convert to the Dark because she has unquestioned access to all the novices. She could select those who might be likely to join the Black Ajah or who already had leanings in that direction: I cannot imagine that Liandrin was ever all sweetness and light!

5) Elaida's visit to the Accepted's quarters was...interesting. What information do you think she was fishing for? Between the two, who would you more readily believe to be Black Ajah--Elaida or Sheriam?

I find Elaida rather sad really because she is so transparent in her interests and yet she tries to be all mysterious and subtle. I have met her type before: as subtle as a bacon sandwich at a bah mitzvah! I am just guessing here, because she was so totally unobvious, but I think she wanted to know about Rand . . . perhaps . . . I might have misread the tiny hints that she let slip . . . *sarcasm off. She seems to be obsessed with Rand, although stilling the Dragon Reborn would seem like a major tactical error in the run up to the Final Battle as he is the only one who can actually defeat the Dark One.

To be honest, I am not sure that Elaida has the wit to be Black Ajah. As with Liandrin, her behavior is so obvious that I cannot imagine her hiding her intentions, but even Liandrin tried to appear nice on occasions. As I mentioned above, I am rather concerned about Sheriam at the moment so I am voting for them both being Black Ajah, along with a significant proportion of the Sisters still in the White Tower. Just call me pessimistic!

6) Once again we find Mat plotting to "get away" from all Aes Sedai. Do you think he'll succeed this time?

I doubt it.

The way that the three boys are ta’veren is going to keep them bound to their fates and to the path to the Final Battle. No matter what happens to the White Tower, and the Aes Sedai in general, all the women who can channel will be needed eventually to fight the Dark One. Also, we know that the three girls are going to become powerful Aes Sedai in their own rights and he is surely bound to their fates as strongly as he is to Rand’s.

7) Selene came to visit Mat and when he wasn't as submissive as she wanted, she started doing something to him that gave him a headache. What do you think it was?

Where is an a’dam when you need? If there is any person, apart from Liandrin, who could really do with being tethered, it is Lanfear!

I expect that she has some way to spray her sexy pheromones all over the poor, unsuspecting bundle of testosterone. Alternatively, she may have a version of the ever so subtle mind control talent that we saw Liandrin using on people. I imagine that Lanfear has had plenty of time to perfect its usage so it does not make peoples’ eyes bug out of their heads.

I was actually surprised by how resistant Mat was to her charms: of the three lads I had expected him to be the most easily won over. Up until now he has always seemed rather carefree and thoughtless, so I did not expect him to be quite so cautious and stubborn. I found it a little difficult to reconcile his memories of his father’s carefulness, about thinking everything through before acting, with the idiot that stole the dagger from Shadar Logoth. However, I imagine that his experience with it was severe enough to change anyone’s behavior.


  1. There is a very short Rand section at the end of chapter nine. He didn't have a full chapter for himself.

    Great answers! I wish I could tell you more. Hnnngggg...!

  2. Yup, Elvind is right! At the tail end of chapter 9 we get less than 1.5 pages of Rand-ness. Actually a few people totally missed it. I agree with you that Elaida just isn't cool enough to be Black Ajah. And about the scenic cross-references of Forsaken and A'dam? More to come. :D Great answers!

    1. My apologies about the Rand bit: I have no idea why my brain didn't register it . . . I just hope it isn't a sign that I've missed loads of other stuff as well! :(

  3. Good point about the wolves living partly in dream. So, Hopper is probably more than just a dream of Perrin's, but rather the dream spirit of Hopper found Perrin and is watching over him.

    I missed the dog hunting scene too. But I found it earlier today when I went back to look for it. It didn't really stand out to me - as Rand was just yelling at his imaginations again.

    Sheriam could suspect Nynaeve and/or Egwene of being Black Ajah and hence didn't ask them if anyone else was around. It's amazing how all this suspicion can tangle things up quickly.

    Lanfear and her sex mojo strikes again! And looses out! Who would have thought Mat to be the one to tell a pretty lady Hell No! I might almost be proud of the idiot.

    1. Good point about Sheriam! The White Tower is seriously dysfunctional if nobody trusts anybody!

      I was so surprised about Mat that I think my mouth fell open . . . just before it broke into a huge grin as he annoyed Lanfear! :D

    2. I can't figure out how to reply to Sue's comment. I guess they only go one deep? Anyway...

      "The White Tower is seriously dysfunctional if nobody trusts anybody!"

      You are more right than you can imagine. :)


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