If you haven't read the book, or the whole series,
why not join in and read along with the rest of us? This week you can find
links to everyone else’s thoughts at Musings on
Fantasia. We begin reading Book 4: The Shadow Rising
straight away and you can find the posting schedule at Dab
of Darkness.
This week we read through to the end
of the book.
1) We saw
Rand at the beginning of TDR, and then VERY briefly throughout, and then at the
end. Overall, for the main character, he wasn't in the book much. What do you
think of this format? Did it work?
I can understand why some people would find this a
little unsettling, as they are used to a story with a single hero whose story
is the most important. However, I really like the complexity of the story that
Mr Jordan is telling, and I find it a pleasant change to see that our hero’s
success is actually built upon the actions of many others. It is ironic that so
much Fantasy ignores the pattern that Tolkien set in the Lord of the Rings when
he split the narrative in half for almost two-thirds of the overall story arc.
By showing the importance of the other characters along the way, we are given a
sense that defeating the Dark One is not just a case of our hero doing one
simple act and then living happily ever after. This confrontation is something
that has played out repeatedly and each time before the Dragon has failed
because there are so many variables that have to be just right for him to
succeed. This gives us an unusually pessimistic feeling as we can see so many
ways in which everything will go wrong and the Pattern will need to start all
over again in a different Age.
Also, in this book, Rand has not actually done a
great deal apart from travelling to Tear and going ever more crazy along the
way. Yes, we could have followed him and seen his effect on the people as
passed through, but I found it much more effective to see only the chaos
swirling in his wake. Plus, the one scene that we did have, when he killed that
group of people and then played with their bodies, was so disturbing that I
think we might have found it difficult to continue liking him if we had seem
too much of that kind of behavior. We are left with the suspicion that he might
have done more, and worse, but we can still cling to idea of the ‘nice’ Rand
that we saw in the earlier books.
2) This time
when Rand "killed" Ba'alzamon, there was a body left behind, and
everyone seemed to agree that he was dead this time. Yet, Moiraine insists this
isn't the Dark One, but probably Ishmael, one of the Forsaken. What do you
think of this explanation? Is she right? Is it believable? If so, what does it
mean for Rand and his friends?
I find it hard to believe that Ba’alzamon is
actually dead in a final, permanent way, although I have more optimism about it
this time around than before. However, I agree with Moiraine that he is not The
Dark One, who I am fairly certain is still bound behind the failing seal. We
have seen various Forsaken loose on the world, but they were placed closer to
the outside of the prison, I believe, and so have reached the surface and
freedom first. The Dark one would be buried in the lowest level and all of the
seals must break before he can finally be free.
We know that there are many more books and that
there are lots of other Forsaken running around being a nuisance, so, even if
Ba’alzamon / Ishmael is actually dead, this is only the first minor victory. It
is a step in the right direction, because it removes one of the Forsaken, but
there is still a very long way to go before we even reach the Final Battle and
the confrontation with the Dark One. In that time they must defeat the other
Forsaken, deal with the Seanchan, the Black Ajah, the Children of the Light and
the other assorted Darkfriends, unite the nations behind the Dragon Reborn and
Rand needs to learn how to control his powers. This is all going to take some
time!
3) Julian
Sandar betrayed our girls, but then felt guilty and helped Mat get into the
Stone. Do you think we'll see him again? Will he will be ally or foe from here
on out? (Also he's totally crushing on Nynaeve. Do you see that coming back
into the story at all?)
I feel as if Julian is going to be one of those
secondary characters, like Hurin or Masema, who will pop up again. He is tied
to their fate and also feels terrible about leading the Black Ajah to them. He
will feel honor bound to serve them in recompense for his behavior, probably to
the point where they get annoyed that he will not forgive himself even though
they already have.
I did not really notice his attitude towards
Nynaeve, but if he hangs around like a lovelorn puppy it will be interesting to
see how she deals with it. At least it will be a constant source of irritation
so that she can always touch saidar! :D
4) Perrin
sort of had a meltdown and went into full knight-in-shining-armor mode
when Faile was suddenly in danger. He defied both Moiraine and Hopper, putting
his life (and perhaps more?) in danger to save her. Did you see that coming?
What do you think their relationship will be now?
These two are meant for each other, I think that is
fairly obvious. She is the falcon that Min saw in her viewing and I predict a
marriage in the not too distant future, even though Perrin is likely to fight
it every step of the way.
The tie between them was very palpable from the
first time they met, so I was not at all surprised that he went into full hero
mode to rescue her. It is interesting that we have the typical Romance trope of
her irritating the life out of him, which means that they are meant for one
another, so he should now realize that he is in love with her. Anyway, Perrin
always feels responsible for everyone, and he would have done the same thing
for any of the others in the group, even Moiraine.
5) Quite a
bit is revealed at the end of TDR about the role the Aiel will play. This was
an earlier question we had. What do you think of their role and how will it
impact the story?
I really love the Aiel, even though I struggle to
forget the Fremen when I read them. I assume that they will be among the first
people to swear fealty to Rand now that he has declared himself to be the
Dragon Reborn. They also seem to have a lot of ancient knowledge that might be
useful for both Rand and the Aes Sedai, although I doubt that Tar Valon will
want to acknowledge any ignorance.
So, it seems that they will form the backbone of
Rand’s army in the Last Battle. However, nothing is ever straightforward in
this story, so I imagine that their role will be far more complex than that.
6) There were
some people who didn't like how nebulous the endings of books 1 and 2 were. How
did you feel about this ending? Did it work? Did you have any complaints?
I was reasonably happy with the previous endings,
although their dream-like qualities made it difficult to decide how ‘true’ they
were. I felt that this ending was more substantial, mainly because we were not
so totally dependent on Rand’s experiences and interpretation of events. I liked
the way that the different strands of the story were woven together so that all
the important players were in position for the final act in the Stone: it
really felt as if the Pattern were pulling them all towards one goal.
My only complaint is that I still do not know what
has happened to Bella! :D
I liked the format as well. I thought it worked very effectively in this case. I also agree that Perrin and Faile are totally meant for each other. Gotta love the sappy stuff! ;)
ReplyDeleteSome romance is fine, just as long as it is realistic and doesn't make me dry heave all the time! :D
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ReplyDeleteI too enjoyed seeing that the success of the story arc (for this book) was built upon many characters, and not just our hero Rand. And you are so right to point that out about Tolkien - that is one thing I really like about his work: that we don't just focus on Frodo and Sam, but on the other characters and their efforts to make it possible for Frodo to do what must be done.
Since we have taken out a Forsaken, I wonder if one of our good guys will be taken out soon, kind of the equality/balance of good and bad in the big story line.
I kind of want to see Nynaeve permanently irritated because a lovelorn puppy of a man is following her around ;).
I expect Jordan will string things out for many more books before a marriage happens. And I am not convinced the first will be Perrin and Faile. Though I do like them as a couple.
While I am really looking forward to more Aiel, I have to wonder how fractured they are as a society and how easy, or not, it will be to unite them under Rand. Either way, going to be lots of entertainment for us readers.
Dammit! How could I forget Bella! She's my girl! Oh, shame on me. I love having equines in a story line and she's an excellent tie to Two Rivers without feeling all Hobbity.