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This week we read through to the end of the Chapter
25.
1. Morgase
discovers that she was manipulated by one of the Forsaken. Do you think that her
discovery will finally alter her attitude towards Tallanvor, or will the poor
lad have to go off and die in the Last Battle all unrequited and depressed?
Does this information make it more likely that she will reveal her true identity
to Perrin and Faile?
It seems unbelievable that she had not already
heard about Rahvin because everyone else knows and it is presumably common
knowledge around the camp. Perhaps she is very good at not listening to
conversations whilst she goes about her duties as a maid! Whilst this appears
to be horrible news at first glance, I can also see it coming as something of a
relief because she can now shed some of the responsibility for her stupid
behavior. However, I am quite sure that she will still blame herself for the
evil deeds done during that time.
Her presumed death offers her an opportunity to
leave her old life behind, so she could simply choose to marry Tallanvor and
have a fine time with him in the remaining time before the Last Battle. This
might be quite tempting, but I suspect that her sense of duty will force
Morgase to try to reach Elayne and offer her as much motherly advice as the
poor girl can stomach. Poor Tallanvor!
I doubt that she will volunteer to reveal her
identity until she is forced to, probably by an encounter with Galad when there
are some final attempts at negotiation. This makes perfect sense, as it will be
very awkward for Perrin and Faile to have the former Andoran Queen in their
camp, especially as they have been using her as a maid. I would also suspect
that she is unwilling to risk exposing her presence to the Whitecloaks.
2. Phew!
Maradon has finally opened its gates for Ituralde and his troops. Personally I
could have kissed Yoeli at first, but do you think that he will really refuse
to continue fighting Shadowspawn in order to submit to execution for his actions?
What did you make of Lord Torkumen: Darkfriend or idiot?
I was getting rather worried that the Little Wolf
would become Trolloc fodder when his army started to fall apart. I can only
wish that Yoeli had not needed to kill some of his won people in order to offer
assistance. I rather hope that he decides to be a little less honorable and
slightly more useful by continuing the fight against the Shadow. However, these
Borderlanders do have a very strange sense of honor, so I would not be
surprised if he remained pig-headed and threw his life away in a pointless
gesture.
I have to agree with Ituralde’s assessment that the
man is a Darkfriend. Surely even an idiot would have been slightly more upset
at the thousands of Trollocs swarming towards the city walls. Also, I cannot
imagine that Queen Tenobia allows idiots to take control of any of her cities,
especially those that are tactically important.
3. Speaking
of idiots . . . yet again Gawyn rushes in and ruins Egwene’s plans. Do you feel
any sympathy for the poor lad, with his love-addled brain, or are you getting
frustrated with his inability to let Egwene take care of herself? Any more
thoughts on the identity of the assassin and Egwene’s assumption that it is
Mesaana? Will Gawyn be any more sensible once he returns to Caemlyn?
Argh! I am beginning to wonder if it will be Gawyn’s
fate to become Egwene’s Warder, or if he will instead become a smoking smudge
on the carpet when she zaps him out of pure frustration. He STILL has not got
the message that she is very powerful and actually capable of taking care of
herself, but I am not quite sure what will persuade him to trust her even
slightly. I can offer an intensive course of head slapping, but even that might
not prove successful! :D
This latest incident makes me even less convinced
that the assassin is Mesaana, or even a Black sister or Darkfriend. I am pretty
certain that we are dealing with those super ninja/assassins sent into the
Tower by Tuon. We know that one was killed by Siuan and Bryne, but I believe
that five were sent on the mission. Whilst the attacker has powers that could
very easily be ascribed to the One Power, we were given some heavy clues that
the ninjas were very, very dangerous, probably due to ter’angreals of some description.
I sincerely hope that Gawyn will start to change
his mind about many things once he has time to talk to Elayne and think about
Egwene’s situation. I would not be surprised if his sister, or Birgitte, feels
the need to slap some sense into him, but I think that he just needs to get a
better perspective on the situation and apply some reasoning to his future
choices. A little more thought before he rushes into action would do him a
world of good.
4. So,
Birgitte entered the Tower of Ghenjei, wandered around it for a few weeks and
then died. Can we expect a better outcome for Mat, Thom and Noal? Obviously
they are going to survive, but apart from Mat’s luck, do they have any other
advantage that you can think of that Birgitte was lacking?
I find it very hard to believe that Mat, Thom or
even Noal will die in the Tower. So far this series has been remarkably kind to
its lead characters and we are getting too close to the Last Battle to have a
few meaningless deaths. Also, I feel certain that Moiraine will be rescued and
marry Thom, so that makes me think that he will certainly escape unscathed
(otherwise I will cry . . . a lot!). Mat is highly unlikely to die because of
his previous experiences with the Finn, huge caution and astounding luck. Although
we still have not had the reveal that Noal actually IS Jain Farstrider, which
is very obvious but surely needs to be acknowledged at some point, I suppose
that he is the most likely to die a heroic death. This will be a shame, but definitely
worth another chapter in his memoires.
The fact that Birgitte was defeated by the Tower is
very worrying. It does not sound like our heroes have an advantage that she did
not, apart from Mat’s luck. This is the main reason why I worry that Noal will
not survive this particular adventure. At least the should be able to stop
Olver going with them . . .
5. What is
it about idiot Trakands this week?!!??! So, just for a change of pace, Elayne
dashes off and places herself in terrible danger and then somehow manages to
survive by the skin of her teeth. I doubt that any of us were surprised by her
rashness, but what did you think of her disguise: effective or not? Was anyone
at all surprised to discover that the secretary/torturer was a Darkfriend? How
much do you want to see Mellar with a knife through his eye?
Good grief! Yes, I know that Elayne is pregnant,
but surely most women do not become suicidal maniacs during their
pregnancies?!??!? If Lini was there she would have quite a few things to say to
Elayne: and none of them would be at all complimentary! :D
Having said that, I was rather impressed by her
idea to trick the Blacks. Her disguise most certainly worked: I was completely
unconvinced by Chesmal’s assertion that she had seen through it all along. It
seems that she learnt about some sort of impending attack on Andor, which makes
me wonder if that was the content of Verin’s letter. The revelation that
Darkfriends are searching for Mat and Perrin was hardly surprising as they have
been on the hit list for quite some time now, but at least we know that these
are not still Verin’s flyers circulating after her death.
Strangely, I did not expect any man so ‘dedicated’
in the pursuit of torture to be anything other than a Darkfriend. This does
make me wonder about Sylvase’s allegiance: so far I have not suspected that she
is a Darkfriend, but this makes me even more cautious of her.
I presume that Mellar took care of the torturer,
but I wish that we could finally get rid of him as well. The man makes my skin
crawl and I suspect that he will return to be a nuisance either before or
during the Last Battle. His possession of a copy of Mat’s medallion makes me
even more nervous, because it will make him even more difficult to kill.
6. It seems
that Perrin may be coming to terms with his inner Wolf. Do you think that this
will happen in time for the battle with the Whitecloaks, or will he need a few
more ‘training sessions’ with Slayer before he can take that final step?
I had rather expected the battle against the
Whitecloaks to occur this week, so I was rather surprised that it simply did
not happen. I find it rather strange that two armies can camp close to each
other and send letters back and forth before they finally decided to actually
have a fight. Something about that seems far too polite to me! :D
After waiting so long for this battle, I am
beginning to wonder if it will ever actually happen. Of course, we know that a
few words from Morgase could prevent a lot of unnecessary bloodshed, but I feel
as if we are waiting for something else to happen before the two armies face
each other. I am not sure what that might be, but I am pretty certain that
something is coming.
I hope that Perrin makes his breakthrough fairly
soon, as he really needs to deal with Slayer. I get the impression that he is
making progress rather quickly, so hopefully he will be able to save any other
wolves from dying permanently.
7. Lan’s
little army is growing steadily and he is thoroughly annoyed by it! How funny
is this? I was disappointed that we did not get to experience the swapping of
his Bond to Nynaeve in this section: am I just impatient, or are you looking
forward to that scene as well?
I love these little snippets of Lan’s journey to
becoming king: they are so funny, and he is so grumpy about all these brave and
loyal people showing up to help him! :D
I find it hard to believe that we will not
experience this pivotal moment from Lan’s perspective, but this disconnect in
the timelines is my one major criticism of this volume in the series. This one
is nowhere near as irritating as the lag in Perrin’s plot. I find it rather jarring
that Nynaeve has obviously not Travelled to collect Tam yet, even though I can
understand that it was necessary to follow his story in this volume in order to
divide the twelfth ‘book’ into three roughly equal segments. I hope that we do
get to see him reaction, as I am sure that it will be both funny and touching
at the same time.
Yeah there definitely is a time disconnect, and I think it's jarring because this is pretty much the ONLY volume where that is the case. All the story lines will be in sync again by the final volume, though. Give it time. :D
ReplyDelete1. As a reader who can visit and live inside the head of all the characters all the time, it comes as a bit of a surprise that Morgase was still unaware that she had been duped by Rahvin. That justifies her decision to hide as a maid somewhat, since for all she knew she was still considered the villain, and not the victim. I'm really looking forward to seeing her reveal herself. With the series wrapping up soon, some secrets should start coming out, and this is one of them.
ReplyDelete2. I could still kiss him, to be honest. I'm not sure the Queen of Saldaea will even make it back before the end of the Last Battle, so Yoeli might have no choice but to live (oh, the horror!)
I know what's up with Torkumen, so I won't say. But it will be made abundantly clear in one of many cool scenes next week!
3. I do feel sympathy for him. Egwene is perhaps right, but she's not being very forthcoming about her preparations, so I can excuse the guy for thinking with his heart first when the girl he loves is (or appears to be) in danger. But I also think that getting away for a bit might help clear his head. He and Egwene are both on the same side, so I'm not overly worried that they won't come together eventually.
About the assassin, I'm quite sure that Gawyn is right and Egwene is wrong.
4. I agree that Mat must necessarily be quite safe, and Thom should get together with Moiraine unless Robert Jordan had planned a tragedy. Noal is the reddest of these shirts. So we'll see. Birgitte's story definitely ups the ante, though. It feels quite a bit more risky now.
Yes, they have some other advantages. First, there's three of them and only one of Birgitte, and secondly, Mat has been there before.
5. Honestly, it wasn't such a bad idea at all, but it could do with some cold-headed thinking and preparation instead of this impulsive catastrophe. Elayne must seriously be the Randlander champion of putting herself in danger.
I notice how difficult it is to read about pregnant women in danger. When I read about the knife digging its way toward her womb I really had to wince. It must be instinctual to be protective about pregnant women's bellies. I guess that's also part of the reason why a certain episode in a certain popular fantasy TV series is so powerful.
Mellar/Hanlon can rot in a ditch. Sooner rather than later, please.
I was surprised (on my third time through the series, now) about the secretary. I suppose that answers the questions we had about Sylvase at the end of book eleven. I would be very surprised if it turned out she is not a darkfriend.
6. It is building up towards a final confrontation between Perrin and Slayer. We'll have to wait and see if it's going to be part of the last battle or if it's one of those things that Perrin has to master before it. I have to mention again how great a villain Slayer is. Even now, thirteen books in, every time I read a battle between him and Perrin, it STILL feels like Slayer knows infinitely more about everything. It must be such an uphill struggle... And he's such a silent and different character, too. Not shadowspawn, not forsaken. More human than both Fain and Shaidar Haran.
7. Yes, you will have to wait for him to realize it, since the Rand, Egwene and Nynaeve storylines are all quite a bit ahead of the rest. I believe Tam will be leaving Perrin next week, and that's really the most glaring discontinuity.
True. If Morgase had not heard the talk about Rahvin then she had a lot of reasons for hiding as a maid. I am looking forward to her reveal as well as it will clear up many questions for her kids.
DeleteI was wondering about Sylvase's monotone at the opera after party. Is she under Compulsion? Or does she know about the impending attack on Andor and was distracted mentally by that? Hmmm....
Wow! I didn't realize the Perrin storyline was so far behind. I had assumed that Tam had gone and then be returned via Gateway.
That's a really good point about Morgase not having picked up on the fairly common news concerning Rahvin. Until that scene, I had actually assumed that she had heard of it, even if it was just a half-formed rumor.
ReplyDeleteIf Olver sneaks into the Tower of Genjei with them, I bet the inhabitants would demand Olver as payment for their releasing Moiraine. That could be quite a scene! And Birgitte was dragging her lover's body around much of the time she was in the Tower. Luckily, all of Mat's party are entering the Tower able-bodied.
Wasn't Sylvase talking in a kind of monotone at the after party to the opera? Perhaps she is under some sort of Compulsion. If her torturer was a Darkfriend of high enough rank, then she would be easy prey for a Forsaken.
While I agree there is some lag in the timelines (like we haven't seen Lan experience the Bond being passed to Nynaeve) but I had simply assumed that Nynaeve (or another Aes Sedai) had returned Tam to Perrin's army, as he is obviously needed there.